Comments on: I’m Fine Without The .Com http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:27:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: M. Menius http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6128 M. Menius Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:36:20 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6128 .US is a very good space for development. If you can get the .com for a reasonable price, go for it. But as Riq said above (excellent comments by the way), there are many considerations and having the .com is often unrealistic. So you turn to the next most viable alterantives. Can't afford the Ferrari, but I can afford the navy blue vintage Corvette with the leather interior. That's a nice ride as well. The .com mantra is a narrow view and an old argument that's weaker day by day. It fails to recognize the rest of the internet world developing alongside .com. Anyway, as far as pressing the issue to "convince" someone to buy something they don't want, Patrick was absolutely right to let it go. The prospect made his preferences crystal clear. To press on would have burned a bridge. .US is a very good space for development. If you can get the .com for a reasonable price, go for it. But as Riq said above (excellent comments by the way), there are many considerations and having the .com is often unrealistic. So you turn to the next most viable alterantives. Can’t afford the Ferrari, but I can afford the navy blue vintage Corvette with the leather interior. That’s a nice ride as well.

The .com mantra is a narrow view and an old argument that’s weaker day by day. It fails to recognize the rest of the internet world developing alongside .com.

Anyway, as far as pressing the issue to “convince” someone to buy something they don’t want, Patrick was absolutely right to let it go. The prospect made his preferences crystal clear. To press on would have burned a bridge.

]]> By: Holly http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6121 Holly Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:53:52 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6121 You did the right thing by not pressuring him, and since I assume you didn't know him before, you must have seemed like a good enough guy to him that he would want to hire you for something else. If you keep the relationship up in the future, he may change his mind, especially if you have statistics to back up how much traffic he is losing. Then again, he may never want the name no matter what. Some people are stubborn like that. You did the right thing by not pressuring him, and since I assume you didn’t know him before, you must have seemed like a good enough guy to him that he would want to hire you for something else.

If you keep the relationship up in the future, he may change his mind, especially if you have statistics to back up how much traffic he is losing. Then again, he may never want the name no matter what. Some people are stubborn like that.

]]> By: yanni http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6120 yanni Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:03:22 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6120 Well, you got your foot in the door. The saga ain't over yet. If he does use you for his website redesign, you may eventually get him to buy the dot com from you. It all depends on how you handle him during the course of the redesign. All in all, you made the best of the situation. You didn't sell him the fridge, but you sold him the ice cubes. Now you have all the time in the world to show him why he's better off owning the fridge. Well, you got your foot in the door. The saga ain’t over yet. If he does use you for his website redesign, you may eventually get him to buy the dot com from you.
It all depends on how you handle him during the course of the redesign.

All in all, you made the best of the situation. You didn’t sell him the fridge, but you sold him the ice cubes. Now you have all the time in the world to show him why he’s better off owning the fridge.

]]> By: Anthony Hanner http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6119 Anthony Hanner Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:51:39 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6119 I have been selling ads for 12 years and the objection he was throwing at you is not common, but I heard it several times when I was selling print. David is right...it wouldn't have mattered what you told him...8.5 times out of 10 he wasn't going to buy. Many times, it is just pride. Certain personality types don't want to admit that you have a valid point...because it would mean they would have to admit their plan wasn't the best way to do it to begin with. That domain purchase and sitebuild just may have been his "baby." To get around that and, again, it is a tough row to hoe, you could talk about how it is a testament to how great his vision was that he could even build such a great business and presense on a nondotcom. "I know I couldn't have done it," you would say to him. "Have you ever considered how it might supplement the impressive success you have already achieved by having the extra traffic from the dotcom?" Selling is a game...take away what he is defensive about by showing that the dotcom could never replace what he has done...BUT it could help make it even better. I have been selling ads for 12 years and the objection he was throwing at you is not common, but I heard it several times when I was selling print. David is right…it wouldn’t have mattered what you told him…8.5 times out of 10 he wasn’t going to buy.

Many times, it is just pride. Certain personality types don’t want to admit that you have a valid point…because it would mean they would have to admit their plan wasn’t the best way to do it to begin with. That domain purchase and sitebuild just may have been his “baby.”

To get around that and, again, it is a tough row to hoe, you could talk about how it is a testament to how great his vision was that he could even build such a great business and presense on a nondotcom. “I know I couldn’t have done it,” you would say to him.

“Have you ever considered how it might supplement the impressive success you have already achieved by having the extra traffic from the dotcom?”

Selling is a game…take away what he is defensive about by showing that the dotcom could never replace what he has done…BUT it could help make it even better.

]]> By: Chef Patrick http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6118 Chef Patrick Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:38:09 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6118 LMAO...he just won't invest in dot com's! LMAO…he just won’t invest in dot com’s!

]]> By: Bruce Marler http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6117 Bruce Marler Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:21:00 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6117 LOL, now that is funny:) Why would I develop an alternative extension like dotCOM:) LOL, now that is funny:)

Why would I develop an alternative extension like dotCOM:)

]]> By: Adam http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6116 Adam Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:17:14 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6116 My question is why were you calling Bruce to try and sell him a domain? ;) You can lead a horse to water. . . My question is why were you calling Bruce to try and sell him a domain? ;)
You can lead a horse to water. . .

]]> By: Chef Patrick http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6115 Chef Patrick Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:50:51 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6115 Actually his contact information was directly on his website. I did not use the owners whois information for this instance. If I did use whois to lookup the individuals information I am not aware of any whois regulations that would prevent me from contacting the domain owner. If there is can you please provide that information for me. That would make a great blog post. :) What made him a potential buyer? Me saying so. Calling him about a domain name is no different than calling him to solicit the sale of a vacuum cleaner. As long as I call within the hours of 8am to 9pm and do not continue to call after receiving a negative response or request to not to call again I am breaking no laws. Actually his contact information was directly on his website. I did not use the owners whois information for this instance.

If I did use whois to lookup the individuals information I am not aware of any whois regulations that would prevent me from contacting the domain owner. If there is can you please provide that information for me. That would make a great blog post. :)

What made him a potential buyer? Me saying so. Calling him about a domain name is no different than calling him to solicit the sale of a vacuum cleaner. As long as I call within the hours of 8am to 9pm and do not continue to call after receiving a negative response or request to not to call again I am breaking no laws.

]]> By: Riq http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6114 Riq Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:30:47 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6114 I agree that .com is not only the most popular extension in this country as of now but also that its likely to remain so for the foreseeable future....but what does that really mean? Does it mean that there is no room for anything else? That anyone who uses another TLD is necessarily a looser? What one is to do when the .com is either unavailable at any cost (as is many times the case) or the asking price is totally prohibitive? This last one was the point I was indirectly trying to make by citing the Palm Springs example; i.e. I've heard that the current owner has a fully developed site and very profitable business based on PalmSprings.com. If so, what would likely be the asking price if he's willing to sell? $1M, $2M, $5M, more..?? Even if one could afford to pay this type of money, would it always be a better business decision to do so rather than buy the .US or .info version for less than $10K and develop it from ground zero? No one in his right mind is going to argue against the superiority of .com but there are numerous other relevant factors when it comes to deciding on using an extension and these need reasonable and intelligent discussion if the industry is to flourish and thrive, rather than keep repeating the mantra of ".com is the king" and only game in town; obviously this is just my personal opinion on this subject. I agree that .com is not only the most popular extension in this country as of now but also that its likely to remain so for the foreseeable future….but what does that really mean? Does it mean that there is no room for anything else? That anyone who uses another TLD is necessarily a looser? What one is to do when the .com is either unavailable at any cost (as is many times the case) or the asking price is totally prohibitive? This last one was the point I was indirectly trying to make by citing the Palm Springs example; i.e. I’ve heard that the current owner has a fully developed site and very profitable business based on PalmSprings.com. If so, what would likely be the asking price if he’s willing to sell? $1M, $2M, $5M, more..?? Even if one could afford to pay this type of money, would it always be a better business decision to do so rather than buy the .US or .info version for less than $10K and develop it from ground zero? No one in his right mind is going to argue against the superiority of .com but there are numerous other relevant factors when it comes to deciding on using an extension and these need reasonable and intelligent discussion if the industry is to flourish and thrive, rather than keep repeating the mantra of “.com is the king” and only game in town; obviously this is just my personal opinion on this subject.

]]> By: James Woods http://www.chefpatrick.com/im-fine-without-the-com/#comment-6113 James Woods Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:15:14 +0000 http://www.chefpatrick.com/?p=6360#comment-6113 Are you not utilizing the domain whois system to solicit business which is a violation of the whois system? Correct me if im wrong, even if you had good intentions of just giving the domain to the person it's an unsolicited use of the whois system and it's a growing reason why people are switching to privacy protection on domains. I also don't see how he was a potential buyer, he didn't call you, you called him without invitation. Are you not utilizing the domain whois system to solicit business which is a violation of the whois system?

Correct me if im wrong, even if you had good intentions of just giving the domain to the person it’s an unsolicited use of the whois system and it’s a growing reason why people are switching to privacy protection on domains.

I also don’t see how he was a potential buyer, he didn’t call you, you called him without invitation.

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